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02/23/2021 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:34:22 PM Presentation: the Alaska Permanent Fund
03:20:55 PM Adjourn
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+ Presentation: Alaska Permanent Fund Corp. by TELECONFERENCED
Angela Rodell, Chief Exec. Officer
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 23, 2021                                                                                          
                         1:32 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:32:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:32 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                   
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Angela Angela Rodell, Executive Director, Alaska Permanent                                                                      
Fund Corporation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: THE ALASKA PERMANENT FUND                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  reviewed  the  agenda  for  the  day.  The                                                                    
committee would  be hearing from  the Alaska  Permanent Fund                                                                    
Corporation  (APFC).   He  asked   members  to   hold  their                                                                    
questions  until the  middle and  end  of the  presentation.                                                                    
Self-conscious                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: THE ALASKA PERMANENT FUND                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:34:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA  RODELL, EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,  ALASKA PERMANENT  FUND                                                                    
CORPORATION,  introduced the  PowerPoint Presentation:  "The                                                                    
Alaska Permanent Fund."  She looked to the  state's roots on                                                                    
slide 2. In 1969 the  debate began when Alaska received $900                                                                    
million  in a  Prudhoe  lease  sale. All  of  the money  was                                                                    
spent. At  the time, Alaska was  a young state, and  much of                                                                    
the money  was needed for various  infrastructure around the                                                                    
state. She provided some context.  The state budget was $173                                                                    
million.  She was  not sure  the debate  began in  1969. She                                                                    
suspected it began  100 to 200 years earlier,  as Alaska had                                                                    
a  history of  boom  and bust  cycles.  Alaska had  received                                                                    
large chunks  of money  periodically or  had assets  such as                                                                    
fish, oil, and furs. She did not think the debate was new.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell discussed the Alaska  Constitution on slide 3. In                                                                    
1976 Alaskans  voted 75,588 to  38,518 in favor  of amending                                                                    
Alaska's  constitution. She  noted  that the  constitutional                                                                    
amendment was very simple and  straight forward. It required                                                                    
that the state  saved a minimum of 25 percent  of all of the                                                                    
state's  mineral lease  rentals,  royalties, sale  proceeds,                                                                    
revenue sharing  payments, and bonuses.  The only  thing the                                                                    
state  could  do  with  the   money  was  to  invest  it  as                                                                    
designated by  law in eligible investments.  All income from                                                                    
the Permanent  Fund (PF) was  required to be  deposited into                                                                    
the general  fund. There were  no provisions about  how much                                                                    
would be spent,  where the money would go,  or what programs                                                                    
the money would be used  to support. The spending parameters                                                                    
were left very  flexible. She thought it  was interesting to                                                                    
note  there was  overwhelming support  for saving  something                                                                    
for future  generations at a  time when the state  had great                                                                    
needs.  She  indicated there  had  been  debate and  dissent                                                                    
regarding  the  issue due  to  the  state having  tremendous                                                                    
needs.  She  thought it  was  very  difficult at  times  for                                                                    
everyone  to   look  at  the   long-term  rather   than  the                                                                    
short-term.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:37:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  provided some information about  the corporation                                                                    
and its  mission on  slide 4.  Four years  after the  PF was                                                                    
approved  by voters,  APFC  was created  through  SB 116  in                                                                    
1980.  In  the  prior  year, APFC  celebrated  40  years  in                                                                    
existence.  The  corporation's  mission  was  set  forth  in                                                                    
statute. It  was to manage and  invest the assets of  the PF                                                                    
and other  funds designated by  law. The  corporation simply                                                                    
invested  money  rather than  spending  it  or investing  in                                                                    
other programs. The Alaska  Permanent Fund accounts included                                                                    
the principal  and the earnings  reserve account  (ERA). The                                                                    
corporation  also managed  the  Alaska  Capital Income  Fund                                                                    
which was  funded with the  settlement of Amerada  Hess. The                                                                    
corporation  also  managed money  on  behalf  of the  Alaska                                                                    
Mental Health Trust Authority.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  moved to  slide  5:  "Board of  Trustees."  The                                                                    
Corporation   was  governed   by  a   six-member,  governor-                                                                    
appointed  board of  trustees.  As fiduciaries,  they had  a                                                                    
duty  Alaskans in  assuring that  the fund  was managed  and                                                                    
invested  in a  manner consistent  with the  trust findings.                                                                    
The   legislative  findings   constituted   the  trust   the                                                                    
corporation had  with the State  of Alaska. First,  the fund                                                                    
should  provide  a means  of  conserving  a portion  of  the                                                                    
state's  revenue to  benefit  all  generations of  Alaskans.                                                                    
Second, the fund's goal should  be to maintain safety of the                                                                    
principal  while maximizing  the  total  return. Third,  the                                                                    
fund  should  be used  as  a  savings  devise to  allow  the                                                                    
maximum  use of  disposable  income from  the  fund for  the                                                                    
purposes designated by law.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  continued to the topic  of investment management                                                                    
on slide 6. She reported  that the corporation had statutory                                                                    
and  constitutional  mandates.   The  principal  provided  a                                                                    
permanent savings,  and the ERA  held the  investment income                                                                    
for  appropriation.  There  were   prudent  rules  in  place                                                                    
governing  savings, spending,  and the  growth of  the fund.                                                                    
The  corporation's stewardship  was quasi-independent  which                                                                    
was intentional.  The Alaska Permanent Fund  Corporation was                                                                    
under  the  administrative  umbrella of  the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue (DOR) but a stand-alone  agency. The corporation had                                                                    
a   long-term   horizon    with   prudent   diversification,                                                                    
accountability to  the board  and Alaskans,  and a  need for                                                                    
managing its own resources wisely.  A robust, healthy PF was                                                                    
important to all generations of Alaskans.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:40:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell turned to slide  7 and indicated her presentation                                                                    
was designed  around some  key questions  she received  on a                                                                    
regular basis.  She reviewed  the list  of questions  on the                                                                    
slide:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • How much do we make?                                                                                                
        • How do we invest?                                                                                                   
        • How does Principal grow?                                                                                            
        • How does the ERA grow?                                                                                              
        • How much can we draw?                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell moved  to the  first  question of  how much  the                                                                    
corporation   made  by   discussing  Monthly   Reporting  on                                                                    
slide 9. One  of the things  the corporation  did internally                                                                    
was monthly  reporting. Accountability and  transparency had                                                                    
driven  APFC from  the beginning.  The corporation  prepared                                                                    
financial   and  performance   reports  monthly   to  ensure                                                                    
point-of-time accuracy of data  and compliance with policies                                                                    
such as the corporation's  investment policies and state and                                                                    
federal  laws. The  Corporation's  finance staff  reconciled                                                                    
the values  of the  principal and  the ERA  at the  close of                                                                    
every month. She thought it  was important to recognize that                                                                    
the fund  had more than 700  individual investment accounts.                                                                    
Each  represented anywhere  from one  private investment  to                                                                    
hundreds   of   public   equity  holdings.   There   was   a                                                                    
considerable   amount  of   work   done   to  complete   the                                                                    
reconciliations balancing  out each  of the accounts  at the                                                                    
end of every month.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell reviewed the values  of the principal and the ERA                                                                    
on slide 10. The slide showed  the fund values as of January                                                                    
31, 2021  compared to 5  years prior  on June 30,  2016. The                                                                    
slide was  included to show how  the fund had grown  and the                                                                    
areas in  which it had  not grown. She highlighted  that the                                                                    
contributions of principal just  5 years prior totaled $39.4                                                                    
billion. The amount  had grown to $46.8  billion through the                                                                    
contributions  and appropriations  such  as  the $4  billion                                                                    
special  appropriation made  in FY  20. It  was also  in the                                                                    
form  of inflation-proofing.  She emphasized  the importance                                                                    
of inflation-proofing to ensure the  health of the fund. The                                                                    
principal  had  unrealized gains  of  $11  billion, much  of                                                                    
which  was  due  to  the  stock  market  activity  over  the                                                                    
previous  6 months.  In the  ERA the  state had  uncommitted                                                                    
realized earnings  of $7.7 billion  in 2016 which  had grown                                                                    
to $9  billion. There  was also  $2.8 billion  in unrealized                                                                    
gains,  and  the  corporation had  already  set  aside  $3.1                                                                    
billion for  the FY 22  percent of market value  (POMV) draw                                                                    
in  anticipation of  an appropriation.  The calculation  was                                                                    
based on  a time  period that had  already been  closed out.                                                                    
The  corporation knew,  to-the-penny,  what the  calculation                                                                    
yielded and allowed the corporation  to set the amount aside                                                                    
in its financial statements.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell turned to slide  11: "Sources of Change in Value:                                                                    
FY 20  to FY 21 To  Date January 31, 2021."  She pointed out                                                                    
that when looking  at the changes to-date over  the 7 months                                                                    
since July  1, the fund ended  FY 20 at $65.3  billion. In a                                                                    
7-month period  the fund had  gained an  extraordinary $10.3                                                                    
billion in investment revenues.  Royalties of $143.9 million                                                                    
had been deposited into the  principal fund. She thought the                                                                    
figures  demonstrated the  importance of  investment revenue                                                                    
compared to royalties.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell continued  that  the  POMV draw  for  FY 21  was                                                                    
$3.091  billion  leaving  a fund  value  of  $72.7  billion.                                                                    
Statutory  net  income  was determined  by  subtracting  the                                                                    
unrealized  gains and  the amount  allocated  to the  Alaska                                                                    
Capital  Income Fund  from the  net  investment revenues  of                                                                    
$10.3 billion. The result was  a statutory net income to the                                                                    
ERA of  $3.675 billion  year-to-date. It  was more  than was                                                                    
added in 2020 and 2019.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  detailed the corporation's  financial statements                                                                    
on  slide  12.  The  corporation  issued  monthly  financial                                                                    
statements that  reconciled the values.  She pointed  to the                                                                    
balance  sheet  which was  on  APFC's  website. The  balance                                                                    
sheet  total  assets  equaled $76.4  billion.  She  reminded                                                                    
members that  the total equaled the  assets under management                                                                    
at  the  current  point-in-time. The  corporation  also  had                                                                    
accounts payable  of $2.6974  - mostly  trades that  had not                                                                    
settled. Income distributable to the  State of Alaska in the                                                                    
amount of  $1.91 billion could  be found  under liabilities.                                                                    
It represented  the balance of  the $3.91 POMV draw  left to                                                                    
distribute in FY 21. Over  the following 5 months the amount                                                                    
would go to zero.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  suggested looking  at the  non-spendable portion                                                                    
to  know the  actual fund  balance. The  total non-spendable                                                                    
amount  was  $57.7 billion  in  the  principal account.  she                                                                    
pointed  to  the  committed general  fund  appropriation  of                                                                    
$3.069 billion  for FY  22. She  also highlighted  the total                                                                    
assigned  amount of  $11.826 billion  for a  total of  $72.6                                                                    
billion in  fund balances  - the true  fund balance  tied to                                                                    
the numbers she had discussed earlier.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:46:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  discussed slide 13  which showed the  front page                                                                    
of  the  6-page  monthly  performance  report.  It  provided                                                                    
1-month,  3-month,  and   5-year  performances.  The  report                                                                    
showed the  total fund and categories  such as international                                                                    
equity,  global equity,  and  domestic  equity under  public                                                                    
equity.   The  other   pages  of   the  report   showed  the                                                                    
performance  of  each  of  the  managers  in  the  different                                                                    
categories.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  relayed that when looking  at APFC's performance                                                                    
as  of January  31,  2021  the FY  20  total  fund was  2.01                                                                    
percent.  The  corporation  managed   to  beat  its  passive                                                                    
benchmark  that  came  in  at   1.28  percent  and  slightly                                                                    
underperformed  its performance  benchmark of  2.05 percent.                                                                    
The passive  index benchmark was  similar to investing  in a                                                                    
passive  stock index,  a passive  bond index,  some treasury                                                                    
inflation-proof securities, and  some real estate investment                                                                    
trust  rates. The  corporation  beat  its passive  benchmark                                                                    
without any active management of the fund.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell continued  that the chart showed  the value added                                                                    
by  the  active  management  of the  fund.  The  performance                                                                    
benchmark was  expected of  all of  the managers,  and their                                                                    
benchmarks  achieved  2.05 percent.  In  FY  21 to-date  the                                                                    
corporation was  well ahead  of the prior  year. On  a total                                                                    
fund basis,  the corporation  was at  15.8 percent  versus a                                                                    
passive index of 17.8 percent.  The increase was largely due                                                                    
to the corporation's  under-allocation (the corporation only                                                                    
had  an allocation  of  40 percent  to  public stocks).  The                                                                    
passive  index had  a much  higher allocation  to the  stock                                                                    
market. The  performance benchmark came in  at 15.35 percent                                                                    
which the  corporation was beating. Long-term,  the fund had                                                                    
done very well over the years.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:49:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell addressed  the question  of how  the corporation                                                                    
invested turning to slide 16:  "Fund Total Value and Returns                                                                    
in   millions."   She   reported   that   it   had   changed                                                                    
substantially over the years.  Initially, APFC was permitted                                                                    
an  investment   list  that   only  included   fixed  income                                                                    
securities  such  as treasury  bonds.  Over  the years,  the                                                                    
investment  list expanded  to  include  U.S. stocks,  direct                                                                    
real estate  in the U.S.,  and international bond  and stock                                                                    
markets.  In  2005,  the legislature  removed  the  list  of                                                                    
allowable investments giving the  trustees full authority to                                                                    
invest  under   a  prudent  investor  rule.   Trustees  made                                                                    
investment  decisions  through   a  series  of  regulations,                                                                    
investment policies, and guidelines.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  continued that  over  the  years the  fund  had                                                                    
benefited. In  2005, before the  financial crisis,  the fund                                                                    
had  reached an  all-time high.  Since the  recovery of  the                                                                    
financial crisis  11 years prior,  the fund  had skyrocketed                                                                    
in  value. She  emphasized  the volatility  of returns.  She                                                                    
pointed to the light blue  line which highlighted her point.                                                                    
However,  overall,  there was  a  steady  state of  positive                                                                    
returns  within the  band of  zero  to 15  percent over  the                                                                    
period. She  noted the long-term  time horizon APFC  used to                                                                    
invest. She  dismissed concerns about  the ups and  downs of                                                                    
the market on a daily, monthly, or even annual basis.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  looked  at the  pie  charts  referencing  asset                                                                    
allocations  on  slide  17.   She  noted  the  diversity  of                                                                    
investments in  comparison to the  early years of  the fund.                                                                    
The FY 21 target  allocation included stocks, bonds, private                                                                    
equity, absolute  return (hedge funds), private  income, and                                                                    
an allocation  to cash. There  had been a  tremendous growth                                                                    
in the asset  allocation and the sophistication  of the fund                                                                    
over time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell reviewed the FY  21 projections as of January 31,                                                                    
2021  on  slide   18.  She  reported  that   each  year  the                                                                    
corporation  projected the  fund's returns  and growth.  The                                                                    
only  adjustments  the  corporation   made  monthly  to  the                                                                    
history and projections was to  recognize royalty as it came                                                                    
in. However, APFC  did not adjust returns  based on actuals.                                                                    
The midyear return forecast for  FY 21 was 6.48 percent. The                                                                    
corporation assumed  inflation would be 2.25  percent with a                                                                    
real return  of 4.23 percent.  The range around  the returns                                                                    
was  a low  of  -2.4  percent to  a  high  of 11.6  percent.                                                                    
Presently,  the fund  was well  above the  high forecast  of                                                                    
11.64  percent real  return. The  statutory return  was very                                                                    
different and had  a much narrower band of  outcomes. It was                                                                    
based on  investment decisions being made  versus being tied                                                                    
to market activity. The statutory  return was the receipt of                                                                    
cash which was not necessarily  tied to market activity. She                                                                    
reported there  was not a negative  statutory return because                                                                    
the fund was still receiving  positive cash from real estate                                                                    
and bond interest payments.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:53:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Rodell   continued   to   slide   19:   "History   and                                                                    
Projections."  She  noted how  small  the  numbers were  and                                                                    
relayed that the  chart could be found on  the website where                                                                    
it was  easier to read.  She indicated the slide  showed the                                                                    
historical  and  forecasted  growth  of the  fund.  It  also                                                                    
showed the  calculations for the  POMV distribution  and the                                                                    
statutory dividend transfer for FY 21 and FY 22.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell pointed  to the  boxes in  the lower  right-hand                                                                    
side  of the  slide showing  the exact  years (pulling  from                                                                    
different  years). The  dividend  calculation  was based  on                                                                    
statutory  net income.  Whereas,  the  POMV calculation  was                                                                    
based on market values.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  detailed slide  20: "Callan's  Long-Term Capital                                                                    
Market Projections."  She reported  that when the  board was                                                                    
doing asset  allocations it took Callan's  long-term capital                                                                    
market projections into account.  She relayed that last week                                                                    
at  the board  of  trustees meeting  Callan presented  their                                                                    
calendar  year 2021  capital  market  projections and  their                                                                    
10-year  forecast as  adjusted. She  thought there  were two                                                                    
very  important outcomes  for FY  22  through FY  31 as  the                                                                    
corporation  adjusted its  projections  going  into July  1.                                                                    
First, there was  an expectation of slow  growth even though                                                                    
current global  markets were very  robust coming out  of the                                                                    
pandemic. The growth rate would  not be sustainable over the                                                                    
following 10  years. The other  interesting outcome  was the                                                                    
recognition that  inflation was not expected  to increase or                                                                    
enter  into hyper-inflation.  Callan  reduced the  inflation                                                                    
assumption from  2.25 percent to  2 percent. The  total fund                                                                    
projection based  on the asset  allocation was  6.2 percent.                                                                    
Minus  inflation,  she  anticipated  a real  return  of  4.2                                                                    
percent over the next 10 years. She paused for questions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:56:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  brought up inflation over  the past 20                                                                    
years. In 2000 the value of  the fund in nominal terms would                                                                    
have been $72  billion. He wondered if the fund  had kept up                                                                    
with inflation over the previous 20 years.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell responded  that the  corporation  had kept  pace                                                                    
with inflation if  looking at the total  45-year period. She                                                                    
thought it was due to a  couple of key factors. She returned                                                                    
to slide  14. She pointed  out that the  long-term objective                                                                    
was  CPI   plus  5  percent.   The  Alaska   Permanent  Fund                                                                    
Corporation  had data  going back  37 years  rather than  45                                                                    
years. The Consumer  Price Index plus 5  percent resulted in                                                                    
a benchmark of 7.59  percent. Yet, the corporation generated                                                                    
a return of 8.91 percent  over the same period demonstrating                                                                    
that  the  fund  more  than  kept  up  with  inflation.  She                                                                    
indicated  that  if  5  percent  was  subtracted  from  7.59                                                                    
percent it  would indicate an  inflation rate of  about 2.59                                                                    
percent  over 37  years. The  corporation had  kept up  on a                                                                    
10-year  basis, a  5-year  basis, and  a  3-year basis.  She                                                                    
thought it was difficult to look  at just a 1-year basis, as                                                                    
CPI plus 5 percent was a much longer time horizon.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool referred  to slide  20. He  asked if  a                                                                    
5 percent POMV  draw with a  yield of 4.2 percent  should be                                                                    
of concern.  Ms. Rodell responded  that if the  forecast was                                                                    
accurate, the fund would contract rather than expand.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:00:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz   noted  the  previous  5-year   rule.  he                                                                    
suggested  that  the state  would  be  drawing less  than  5                                                                    
percent. He wondered how much  less than 5 percent the state                                                                    
was drawing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell thought  the answer  was in  a later  slide. She                                                                    
skipped ahead  to slide 30  which showed the  calculation of                                                                    
the effective  rate based on  what she was  seeing currently                                                                    
for FY 23 and FY 24.  She further explained that as the fund                                                                    
grew, the effective rate became  smaller. What could be seen                                                                    
on the chart between FY 21 and  FY 22 was that the fund only                                                                    
experienced 2  percent growth  in FY 20.  In the  same year,                                                                    
the legislature took  out a draw of 5.25  percent. She added                                                                    
that  even though  the effective  rate  for FY  20 was  4.52                                                                    
percent,  it  was  still  well in  excess.  She  thought  it                                                                    
created a smoothing effect for withdraws.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  referred  to  slide  17  regarding  asset                                                                    
allocations. He  asked the meaning  of "absolute  return" in                                                                    
relation to an asset allocation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell relayed  that absolute return had to  do with the                                                                    
corporation's  hedge  fund  allocation. She  explained  that                                                                    
they were  trying to replicate  a similar total  fund return                                                                    
that was  not correlated  to APFC's  asset allocation  or to                                                                    
the market.  She thought  it was  like a  counterweight. She                                                                    
suggested  that if  the  fund had  exposure  in an  absolute                                                                    
return portfolio and  the overall market was  down, the fund                                                                    
could expect  to make money.  If the overall market  was up,                                                                    
the  fund  would not  likely  bring  in  much of  a  return.                                                                    
Absolute return was included as a diversification benefit.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz   asked  for  further   information  about                                                                    
private  income  as  it related  to  asset  allocation.  Ms.                                                                    
Rodell explained  that private  income was  a slice  of debt                                                                    
that was  available to invest  in that  did not come  to the                                                                    
corporation through  bond markets. Bond markets  were public                                                                    
debt. For example, large  corporations would issue corporate                                                                    
debt which  were the corporate  bonds APFC would  invest in.                                                                    
Banks might  lend to  small businesses.  However, generally,                                                                    
there was  a middle category  of corporations that  were too                                                                    
small,  or their  credit was  too unusual  to invest  in the                                                                    
public market,  but too large for  a single bank to  lend to                                                                    
them. Private  income provided an  opportunity to  invest in                                                                    
companies through debt structures  that was not available in                                                                    
trades in an open market.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:04:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  recalled that the  legislature had                                                                    
done significant inflation proofing  in 2019. She asked what                                                                    
impact  it had  when  the legislature  exceeded the  current                                                                    
levels of  inflation. She expressed concerns  about possibly                                                                    
not meeting inflation levels in the future.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell responded that in  2019 the legislature passed an                                                                    
FY  20 budget  that called  for the  transfer of  $4 billion                                                                    
from the  ERA to  the principal.  The corporation  could not                                                                    
make the transfer  until June 30, 2020.  The corporation had                                                                    
to  do everything  else first  based on  how the  budget was                                                                    
written.   The   original   budget   that   passed   had   a                                                                    
significantly  higher number  of  more  than $9 billion  and                                                                    
included  legislative  intent  language  that  outlined  the                                                                    
legislature's  intent to  cover  inflation-proofing for  the                                                                    
following  8   years  with   the  appropriation.   When  the                                                                    
legislation was  transferred to the governor  for enactment,                                                                    
he reduced  the amount  to $4  billion. However,  the intent                                                                    
language  was left  unchanged.  The  intent language  really                                                                    
applied to  4 of the years.  At the time, the  amount was an                                                                    
estimate.   The  corporation   calculated  inflation   in  a                                                                    
calendar year based on the  amount in the principal account.                                                                    
Therefore, the  ERA was  not included.  The number  of years                                                                    
would be reduced.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  clarified that in FY  20 the money                                                                    
was not actually  transferred until the beginning  of FY 21.                                                                    
Ms. Rodell responded  that it was done on June  30th and was                                                                    
the last  thing done  on that day.  Representative Rasmussen                                                                    
further  clarified that  in theory,  the legislature  should                                                                    
have inflation-proofed through FY 24.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:07:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson referred  to page  10. He  thought                                                                    
the governor  had proposed a  dividend payment of  $4900 per                                                                    
Alaskan  that would  cover the  portion of  the formula  not                                                                    
paid in  FY 21  and the  FY 22  dividend. He  estimated that                                                                    
with approximately 650,000 recipients  the total cost of the                                                                    
payment would  be about  $3 billion.  He believed  the money                                                                    
would  have  to  be  paid   from  the  uncommitted  realized                                                                    
earnings of the ERA. He asked  if he was correct. Ms. Rodell                                                                    
responded that he was correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson speculated that  the $9 billion was                                                                    
actually  $5.9 billion  because the  legislature would  need                                                                    
$3.1  for FY  22. He  asked if  he was  correct. Ms.  Rodell                                                                    
responded,  "That  is  incorrect." She  explained  that  the                                                                    
$3.1 billion  was already  set aside.  The earnings  reserve                                                                    
account  had  a  total  balance   of  $14.9  billion  as  of                                                                    
January 31,  2021.   The  corporation  had  set   aside  the                                                                    
$3.1 billion  for  the  FY  22  POMV  draw.  The  governor's                                                                    
proposal was to  take the dividend payments for FY  22 and a                                                                    
supplemental payment for FY 21 out of what was $9 billion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  Ms. Rodell  to comment  why                                                                    
the payment might  be problematic. He asked how  FY 23 would                                                                    
be affected.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell commented that  Representative Josephson asked an                                                                    
important  question.  The  difficulty  was  not  the  dollar                                                                    
amount.  Part  of  the challenge  for  the  corporation  was                                                                    
having a  set of  prudent spending  rules. The  trustees had                                                                    
made numerous  resolutions advocating  for a set  of prudent                                                                    
spending rules  that would  enable planning.  Currently, the                                                                    
corporation was in  a positive situation with  a very robust                                                                    
market that was generating  significant income for the fund.                                                                    
It was representative of the  boom and bust cycle Alaska had                                                                    
lived  off  of for  years.  A  negative situation  would  be                                                                    
drawing down  the account while  it was not earning  as much                                                                    
and   reducing  the   market  value   draw  every   year  in                                                                    
perpetuity.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell referred  to slide  30 which  showed all  of the                                                                    
draws on  one page. She  estimated the  draws for FY  23 and                                                                    
FY 24  to   be  $3.2  billion  and   $3.3  billion  assuming                                                                    
everything stayed  the same  and without  ad hoc  draws. She                                                                    
indicated  that  extra  draws   would  draw  down  potential                                                                    
revenue  in the  future.  She advised  that the  legislature                                                                    
needed to  start thinking about  how to replace  revenues or                                                                    
reduce  spending in  the long-term.  For the  first time  in                                                                    
Alaska's  history,  the  legislature  had  a  known  revenue                                                                    
number going  into budget discussions. She  recalled sitting                                                                    
before the legislature when she  was the commissioner of the                                                                    
Department of  Revenue discussing  the revenue  forecast and                                                                    
the sheer volatility around production  and price. It was up                                                                    
to the  legislature to weigh  the consequences  of spending.                                                                    
There  was nothing  in APFC's  mission about  spending, only                                                                    
about investing.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:13:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon referred  to slide  17. He  asked Ms.                                                                    
Rodell talk the committee  through what allocations would be                                                                    
targeted if the legislature were  to follow through with the                                                                    
governor's FY 22 budget request  requiring a double draw (he                                                                    
referred to  SB 26,  legislation establishing a  POMV passed                                                                    
in  2018). She  would  be  asked to  go  beyond the  planned                                                                    
withdraws  for the  year.  He wondered  what  it would  look                                                                    
like.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell responded that stocks  and bonds made up about 60                                                                    
percent  of the  asset  allocations and  were highly  liquid                                                                    
along with cash. Stocks and  bonds could be turned into cash                                                                    
within approximately  3 days. The balance  of the allocation                                                                    
was liquid  in different ways.  She indicated cash  could be                                                                    
generated from real estate, but it  might take 6 months to a                                                                    
year  to  do so.  Absolute  return  typically had  a  30-day                                                                    
liquidity requirement.  The corporation had worked  with the                                                                    
Division of Treasury within the  Department of Revenue for 3                                                                    
years regarding  the POMV  transfer, determining  DOR's cash                                                                    
needs,  and how  to withdraw  money. The  percent of  market                                                                    
value  amount never  moved  over to  DOR as  a  lump sum  on                                                                    
July 1st.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  reported that the corporation  generated roughly                                                                    
$1.5 billion to $2 billion in  regular cash. It had a steady                                                                    
flow  of  income  consisting of  rental  payments,  dividend                                                                    
payments, and  interest coupons. Therefore,  the corporation                                                                    
did  not have  to  liquidate huge  sums.  If the  governor's                                                                    
proposal were  to pass,  there would be  a large  payment of                                                                    
about $1.6 billion or $1.9  billion that would be made prior                                                                    
to  June 30th.  The corporation  would be  working with  the                                                                    
Treasury  Division  to  determine  what  would  need  to  be                                                                    
liquidated.  She suggested  the  corporation  would have  to                                                                    
sell stocks and bonds.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  further explained that the  corporation would be                                                                    
looking  at  what was  coming  due  and for  new  investment                                                                    
opportunities, and it  would hold cash back.  The reason the                                                                    
corporation had a  2 percent allocation of cash  was that it                                                                    
needed cash  to run  its investment  business. In  the fall,                                                                    
the corporation  would do the  same thing. She  relayed that                                                                    
the dynamics were  different if the corporation  had to sell                                                                    
in an  up market with  significant returns versus  having to                                                                    
sell in a  down market and experiencing  losses. Money could                                                                    
flow into the ERA but  required an appropriation to flow out                                                                    
of the fund.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:18:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon did  not see  any calculations  for a                                                                    
10-year  horizon.  He  suggested it  was  the  corporation's                                                                    
responsibility  to  provide  a trend  analysis  showing  the                                                                    
impact of  unplanned draws. He  asked where he would  find a                                                                    
model.  Ms.  Rodell  replied that  the  Legislative  Finance                                                                    
Division (LFD) had done significant  modeling and could make                                                                    
assumptions  about all  of  the other  parts  of the  budget                                                                    
including   revenue    and   spending    expectations.   The                                                                    
corporation  did  not  have any  control  over  the  amounts                                                                    
invested under its purview.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon wondered  that if  he wanted  such an                                                                    
analysis whether  he could contact  her to request  one. Ms.                                                                    
Rodell responded  that she  would ask  him to  contact Alexi                                                                    
Painter at LFD to do the modeling.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon recalled presenting  a similar line of                                                                    
questioning in 2015  or 2016. He thought  it was interesting                                                                    
that the  fiduciary duty  to present  a picture  rested with                                                                    
the legislature's  finance division  rather than  with APFC,                                                                    
the  entity charged  with investing  and communicating  with                                                                    
the public about what the future might hold for the fund.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  clarified that  APFC's  fiduciary  duty was  to                                                                    
invest and  manage the funds  entrusted to  the corporation.                                                                    
The corporation did not have  a duty with regard to spending                                                                    
the  money  or  a  say  in how  it  was  spent.  The  Alaska                                                                    
Permanent   Fund   Corporation   was  providing   the   best                                                                    
information  it could  in terms  of return  expectations and                                                                    
its  duty  for asset  allocation.  She  indicated that  what                                                                    
might be  in the best  interest of the  fund in terms  of an                                                                    
investment, might not  be in the best interest  of the state                                                                    
and  visa  versa. For  example,  it  might  be in  the  best                                                                    
interest of  the fund  to stay  fully invested.  However, it                                                                    
might be in  the best interest of the state  to withdraw the                                                                    
money. It was not the duty  of the board of trustees to make                                                                    
such a decision - which  was the reason the corporation only                                                                    
provided  information  about how  it  expected  the fund  to                                                                    
grow, all things being equal.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  still had  the same  question several                                                                    
years  later   about  who  was  obligated   to  provide  the                                                                    
information  he was  looking  for. He  supposed  it was  the                                                                    
obligation of the  legislature. He claimed that  as a policy                                                                    
maker  he did  not  have  access to  the  team  APFC had  to                                                                    
provide  analytical   quantitative  data.  He   thought  the                                                                    
legislature was on the cusp  of making significant decisions                                                                    
that might affect the state  long-term. He believed that the                                                                    
general public  had a mixed  understanding because  they had                                                                    
not seen an analysis.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell relayed  that in  2016 when  the POMV  was under                                                                    
debate  the board  looked at  a  5 percent  draw. There  was                                                                    
significant  discussion  whether  5 percent  was  the  right                                                                    
percentage.  The legislature  passed  a bill  signed by  the                                                                    
governor that stepped down the  percentage over 3 years. The                                                                    
trustees engaged in trustee paper  9 which looked at lessons                                                                    
learned with other sovereign  wealth funds, prudent spending                                                                    
rules,  and applying  a 4X  rule (keeping  4 times  the draw                                                                    
amount in the  ERA) as a cushion for  market volatility. All                                                                    
of the things she mentioned remained in place currently.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  commented on presenting information.  The Alaska                                                                    
Permanent Fund  Corporation had worked  closely with  LFD in                                                                    
the  interest  of  having  a  common  model  with  the  same                                                                    
assumptions used  by everyone. The corporation  also ensured                                                                    
that  LFD's  model  reflected   APFC's  forecast  and  other                                                                    
factors  such as  spending and  other revenue  measures. The                                                                    
corporation  continued to  work  closely with  LFD to  avoid                                                                    
having  competing  models  which  was  the  reason  she  was                                                                    
encouraging people to go to LFD for modeling.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool referred to slide  20 which showed a net                                                                    
growth  of  4.2 percent  over  the  following 10  years.  He                                                                    
wondered  if  the  growth  rate   was  consistent  with  the                                                                    
5 percent draw assessment  from a few years  prior. He asked                                                                    
if there was cause for concern.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  responded that the  slide highlighted  the value                                                                    
of a POMV  draw that was set up to  smooth things out. There                                                                    
would be  periods of  time where more  money would  be taken                                                                    
out  and would  not keep  pace and  vice versa.  She relayed                                                                    
that  the reason  the presentation  showed the  37 years  of                                                                    
data  was to  demonstrate  the long-term  time horizon.  She                                                                    
indicated  that  5  percent  worked  and  was  a  known  and                                                                    
supported  number.  She  suggested  that  5  percent  was  a                                                                    
disciplined steady draw.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool noted people  talking about the infinite                                                                    
life of  the Permanent  Fund as  opposed to  Alaska's finite                                                                    
supply of  oil. He hoped  that the  draw would be  such that                                                                    
the Permanent Fund would be  infinite and grow with time. He                                                                    
noted the governor's  plan would draw roughly  10 percent in                                                                    
the  current year.  He asked  whether the  corporation would                                                                    
have to  adjust its investments  if the legislature  were to                                                                    
exceed the 5 percent draw.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  thought it would  be interesting to  see whether                                                                    
the board would want to  make any changes. She relayed there                                                                    
were  some concerns  with  an  additional appropriation  the                                                                    
size  the governor  was proposing  accompanied  by a  market                                                                    
draw down.  She recalled  that in March  2020 the  fund lost                                                                    
nearly 30 percent of its value  in 30 days bringing the fund                                                                    
balance  down  to  $60 billion.  The  market  snapped  back.                                                                    
However,  if  the  fiscal  year closed  at  $60  billion  on                                                                    
March 31, 2020  rather than  June 30,  2020, the  fund would                                                                    
have   a  very   different  value   included  in   the  POMV                                                                    
calculation.  She  stressed  the importance  of  recognizing                                                                    
where the fund was on June 30th versus on other days.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  continued that if  there was a market  draw down                                                                    
and the draw  was the amount suggested by  the governor, the                                                                    
corporation  would have  to take  a hard  look at  where the                                                                    
fund  was  in  the  private markets.  Private  markets  were                                                                    
illiquid and required  pacing and modeling of  the fund. The                                                                    
corporation  would have  to look  at the  asset classes  and                                                                    
consider adjustments. She referred  to slide 20 which showed                                                                    
that private  equity was what  was generating the  8 percent                                                                    
forecasted return. If the corporation  had to take funds out                                                                    
of  the illiquid  class, there  could be  a negative  return                                                                    
effect.  Investing  was  forecasting, and  there  was  never                                                                    
certainty in forecasting.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:32:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Rasmussen   thought  it  was   important  to                                                                    
recognize that  APFC was not  responsible for  making policy                                                                    
decisions. Trying  to gather the  information from  the best                                                                    
sources was important. She agreed  that LFD was probably the                                                                    
appropriate source for  legislators to go to  for an overall                                                                    
economic picture.  She referred  to slide 14.  She suggested                                                                    
that a  sudden withdraw of $3  billion, when the fund  had a                                                                    
potential  15 percent  return on  investment,  would have  a                                                                    
major long-term impact. She did  not want the legislature to                                                                    
rob  future   generations.  She  had  a   5-year-old  and  a                                                                    
2-year-old, and  their future in  Alaska was  very important                                                                    
to her. She brought up the  example of a retired couple with                                                                    
a  limited income  having  to make  an  adjustment to  their                                                                    
investment strategy  if their  furnace were  to go  out. She                                                                    
wondered what  the effects would  be if the  corporation did                                                                    
not capitalize on a 15 percent  return on $3 billion for the                                                                    
following year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell was  unclear of  the representative's  question.                                                                    
She  pointed to  the performance  of the  fund in  FY 20  of                                                                    
2.01 percent. The return  in FY 21 to-date  was 15.2 percent                                                                    
which   showed  the   volatility  of   the  market   in  the                                                                    
short-term.  The  5-year return  was  10.4  percent and  the                                                                    
10-year return was 8.4 percent.  The reality was that if the                                                                    
legislature  had  to  appropriate  the  money,  it  had  the                                                                    
ability to  do so. The  money that  was drawn from  the fund                                                                    
would not  earn a return.  She was  not sure what  the right                                                                    
number was for each legislator.  She believed LFD had done a                                                                    
tremendous  job of  building in  numbers and  being able  to                                                                    
adjust them. The Legislative  Finance Division used Callan's                                                                    
6.75  percent long-term  assumption included  which was  the                                                                    
same  assumption   APFC  would   use.  She   emphasized  the                                                                    
importance of  having the information and  thought LFD could                                                                    
provide it.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:36:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson   referred   to   slide   10   in                                                                    
combination  with  slide  30.   He  suggested  that  if  the                                                                    
governor  had  not vetoed  the  other  $5 billion  that  the                                                                    
legislature requested be placed  in the corpus, the earnings                                                                    
would have  grown. He thought the  governor's motivation was                                                                    
that the legislature  would spend the funding.  He asked Ms.                                                                    
Rodell how she  would respond to someone  remarking that the                                                                    
governor's  draw  for  dividends  was  less  than  what  the                                                                    
legislature  proposed to  put into  the corpus.  He wondered                                                                    
how she would explain the difference.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell referred  to slide 10. There would  be $5 billion                                                                    
less in the ERA - $4  billion rather than $9 billion in dark                                                                    
blue. There would  be $51.8 billion in the  principal of the                                                                    
fund in dark blue. She  also noted that the unrealized gains                                                                    
would  be  reapportioned because  they  were  assigned on  a                                                                    
pro-rata  basis based  on  the  denominator. The  unrealized                                                                    
gains would be about $1.4 billion rather than $2.8 billion.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell continued  that  in  response to  Representative                                                                    
Josephson's   philosophical  question   about  how   it  was                                                                    
different, she explained  that the $3.1 billion  in the POMV                                                                    
was an investment in Alaska.  It paid for the state's public                                                                    
safety,  teachers, and  all the  things that  made Alaska  a                                                                    
robust  state. The  Alaska  Permanent  Fund Corporation  was                                                                    
covering 70  percent of the state's  budget, generating more                                                                    
revenue for  the state  budget than any  single oil  and gas                                                                    
company at the  height of the oil boom.  She emphasized that                                                                    
not one  company on a  stand-alone basis produced  the level                                                                    
of  revenue  the legislature  was  asking  APFC to  generate                                                                    
currently. She indicated that in  terms of moving money into                                                                    
the corpus,  any money  moved would spin  off money  for all                                                                    
the things the state needed - the key difference.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:40:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  referred   to  investment  management  on                                                                    
slide 6.  He  pointed  to APFC  stewardship  and  the  first                                                                    
bullet: quasi-independent. He asked  how the corporation was                                                                    
a  quasi-independent organization.  He asked  Ms. Rodell  to                                                                    
clarify the term.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell replied that  APFC had significant responsibility                                                                    
assigned  to  it  -  managing   and  investing  assets.  The                                                                    
corporation  was  independent  in  that it  decided  how  to                                                                    
manage and invest  assets - whether to invest  in stock "A",                                                                    
bond "B", or  private equity "C." The  Alaska Permanent Fund                                                                    
Corporation was independent of  political influence, and the                                                                    
board   set  the   framework  for   making  decisions.   The                                                                    
legislature did not.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell continued that the  corporation was quasi in that                                                                    
she would be  before the legislature. She  would discuss the                                                                    
budget and the resources needed  to make decisions, but that                                                                    
was where the independence stopped.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell would  try to  get  through the  balance of  the                                                                    
slides before  taking questions. She addressed  the question                                                                    
of how the Permanent Fund  principal grew beginning on slide                                                                    
22: "Principal."  She explained  that the principal  was the                                                                    
constitutionally established part of the  fund. It only grew                                                                    
through  three  mechanisms: royalty  contributions,  special                                                                    
appropriations, and inflation-proofing.  She emphasized that                                                                    
it did not  grow through market value or  market activity of                                                                    
any kind, rather, it required  action of savings to make the                                                                    
principle  grow.  The  principle  could  only  be  used  for                                                                    
income-producing investments.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell turned  to slide  23: "Principal  Contributions:                                                                    
Inception  through January  31,  2021."  She explained  that                                                                    
over the years through January  31, 2021 the corporation had                                                                    
experienced $17.7  billion in royalty deposits.  There was a                                                                    
constitutional  minimum  requirement  of 25  percent  and  a                                                                    
statutorily  mandated  deposit  of  50  percent  for  leases                                                                    
entered into  after 1970. The corporation  had also received                                                                    
over $18  billion in  inflation-proofing. Inflation-proofing                                                                    
was based  on deposits  into the principal  of the  fund and                                                                    
the inflation  rate calculated per statute.  Over the years,                                                                    
the   corporation   also   had  $11   billion   in   special                                                                    
appropriations  which included  transfers  from the  general                                                                    
fund in the  amount of $2.7 billion and from  the ERA in the                                                                    
amount  of $8.3 billion.  She reported  that the  $4 billion                                                                    
discussed earlier was part of the $8.3 billion.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell   explained  how  the  ERA   grew  beginning  on                                                                    
slide 25. The  earnings reserve  account was  established in                                                                    
statute  as a  separate account  to hold  investment income.                                                                    
She   thought  of   it  as   a  receptacle   for  collecting                                                                    
everything. The  funding had to  be invested  in investments                                                                    
authorized   under   the   same  statute   that   authorized                                                                    
investments  for  the  principal  of the  account.  It  grew                                                                    
through  the  receipt  of  statutory   net  income  and  was                                                                    
available for legislative appropriation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  continued  to  the  flow  chart  on  slide  26:                                                                    
"Renewable  Resource."   Money  moved  through   the  system                                                                    
beginning with the  corporation receiving contributions that                                                                    
were constitutionally protected.  The contributions were put                                                                    
into    income-producing    investments   with    associated                                                                    
unrealized  gains  and  losses. The  investments  were  then                                                                    
sold. All  of the gain was  moved into the ERA  and invested                                                                    
side-by-side  with   the  principal  which   also  generated                                                                    
income. The  corporation took out money  for APFC operations                                                                    
and   investment   expenses,   inflation-proofing,   special                                                                    
appropriations, the POMV transfer  for state government, and                                                                    
dividends.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:45:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell reviewed the statutory  net income of the ERA. In                                                                    
looking at the previous 20  years of the total return versus                                                                    
statutory net  income, the  chart highlighted  how statutory                                                                    
net income  was not necessarily  tied to total  return. Over                                                                    
the years, the fund had  high returns, negative returns, and                                                                    
returns in  between. In the  study the statutory  net income                                                                    
crept  up,  drew  down,  then  crept  up  again.  The  great                                                                    
financial crisis occurred in 2019,  a year in which the fund                                                                    
experienced  significant  loses.  In 2018,  the  corporation                                                                    
sold  a major  asset  at  a huge  gain  causing  a spike  in                                                                    
statutory net income even though  returns were not very high                                                                    
that year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell explained  that in  a  high market  like it  was                                                                    
presently, and with  a target asset allocation,  part of the                                                                    
discipline  was rebalancing.  The corporation  did not  have                                                                    
mandatory  rebalancing.  It  rebalanced as  it  saw  certain                                                                    
limits and  marks being reached.  Some of  the corporation's                                                                    
rebalancing  was  instinctive  and  some  was  quantitative.                                                                    
Anytime APFC rebalanced and sold  stocks, it generated gains                                                                    
into statutory net  income. She indicated it  was the reason                                                                    
the chart showed  a statutory net income of  $3.6 billion in                                                                    
the  current  year.  The   corporation  had  been  extremely                                                                    
disciplined in holding  the line on its  exposure to stocks.                                                                    
As they  ran up and became  a larger piece, APFC  trimmed it                                                                    
down.   Such  activity   had   the   effect  of   generating                                                                    
significant income.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  explored the  question  of  how much  could  be                                                                    
drawn.   She   turned   to   slide   29:   "Fund   and   ERA                                                                    
Appropriations."  The   slide  provided   a  sense   of  the                                                                    
proposals the legislature had been  discussing. For FY 21 an                                                                    
operating  budget for  APFC of  $17.6  million was  enacted.                                                                    
There   was  also   an  asset   allocation  for   investment                                                                    
management fees  of $129.4 million  and a POMV draw  of just                                                                    
over    $3   billion.    The   corporation    had   received                                                                    
constitutional  royalties  of  $276 million.  The  statutory                                                                    
royalties  were an  additional $67.9  million. There  was no                                                                    
inflation-proofing  appropriated for  FY  21. She  continued                                                                    
that $30 million went to  the capital income fund, and there                                                                    
were  various distributions  to the  Department of  Law, the                                                                    
Department  of  Natural  Resources, and  the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue for the administration and collection of royalties.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  continued that  the  governor  had proposed  to                                                                    
support   APFC  operating   investment  management,   either                                                                    
through  supplements to  the  FY 21  budget  or through  the                                                                    
FY 22  proposal. The  corporation  also  had a  supplemental                                                                    
request for $50 million  in additional investment management                                                                    
fees given the current high  earnings rate. The governor had                                                                    
also  proposed  the POMV  draw  of  $3.069 billion  and  the                                                                    
additional Permanent Fund Dividend  (PFD) payments for FY 21                                                                    
and FY 22. She noted  the royalty expectations forecasted by                                                                    
the  Department  of Revenue,  the  additional  money to  the                                                                    
Alaska Capital Income Fund, and  the requests to the various                                                                    
agencies in  support of APFC.  She had  mentioned everything                                                                    
touching  the ERA  currently and  everything that  was going                                                                    
out of the ERA.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  detailed the  state's  POMV  on slide  30.  She                                                                    
explained the POMV  was based on actual  market value rather                                                                    
than  realized  income.  The percent  of  market  value  was                                                                    
predictable and  based on  the average  market value  of the                                                                    
fund for  the first 5  of the  preceding 6 fiscal  years. In                                                                    
FY 19 the  POMV was a  5.25 percent  draw which was  set for                                                                    
3 years with  a step down to  5 percent in FY  22. The slide                                                                    
showed   the   approximate   effective  rates   making   the                                                                    
assumptions about the fund balance  at the end of each year.                                                                    
She noted  the effective rate  was growing. In  other words,                                                                    
the draw  amount was growing  slightly faster than  the fund                                                                    
itself.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  reviewed  the  trustee's  Resolution  18-04  on                                                                    
slide 31. She indicated that the  sustainability of the fund                                                                    
required  annual  formulaic withdraws  from  the  ERA at  an                                                                    
amount that  the long-term balance  of the account  was able                                                                    
to  fund. The  board had  long supported  the POMV  concept,                                                                    
including a constitutional amendment  that would ensure that                                                                    
no more than a sustainable  amount was taken from the annual                                                                    
earnings of  the Permanent Fund.  The resolution  dated back                                                                    
21 years to 2000.  She added that adherence, sustainability,                                                                    
inflation-proofing,  and real  growth were  the measures  by                                                                    
which  the corporation  could keep  the fund  going for  the                                                                    
long-term.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell examined  the contributions  of the  ERA to  the                                                                    
state's  unrestricted general  fund (UGF)  on slide  32. The                                                                    
Permanent Fund  was the primary  source of UGF  revenue. She                                                                    
pointed out that  for FY 21 the UGF revenue  was expected to                                                                    
be  $4.4 billion  of which  the POMV  was $3.1  billion (not                                                                    
open  for estimation)  equaling  70 percent  of the  state's                                                                    
revenue.  In  FY  22  the  POMV  draw  was  expected  to  be                                                                    
72 percent of UGF revenue.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell continued to slide  33: "ERA Monthly Values since                                                                    
POMV." She relayed  that the ERA had stayed  steady in terms                                                                    
of  monthly  values since  the  POMV  draw. She  thought  it                                                                    
highlighted   the  discipline   around   spending  and   the                                                                    
agreement  with the  Treasury Division  about how  to manage                                                                    
through  various   periods.  She   noted  that   the  market                                                                    
volatility   that   occurred    month-over-month   did   not                                                                    
significantly  impact the  ERA. The  impact on  the ERA  was                                                                    
driven by  activity other than  market driven  activity. The                                                                    
chart  showed the  balances going  up, the  draws occurring,                                                                    
and the account building up again in a cycle.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell addressed the graph  on slide 34 which provided a                                                                    
20-year  look  back  of  the total  return  versus  the  ERA                                                                    
balance. The  slide highlighted the  non-correlation between                                                                    
the ERA and market  volatility. The earnings reserve account                                                                    
balance  started  to grow  significantly  and  had grown  in                                                                    
recent  years   substantially.  Historically  there   was  a                                                                    
practice  of  sweeping the  monies  left  over after  paying                                                                    
dividends in other months. It  was only in recent years that                                                                    
there had been a significant build-up in the ERA balance.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell advanced  to  slide 35:  "Use  of Fund  Earnings                                                                    
since  inception through  January 31,  2021." She  noted the                                                                    
coincidence of the amount on  the slide being near the value                                                                    
of the  fund. She thought  the slide highlighted  the amount                                                                    
of economic activity  and the importance of the  fund to the                                                                    
State  of Alaska  since its  inception. The  corporation had                                                                    
paid out $33.8 billion  through POMV distributions, dividend                                                                    
appropriations, and the Capital  Income Fund. She summarized                                                                    
that  $33.8  billion  had been  generated  and  pushed  into                                                                    
Alaska's  economy.  The  corporation had  also  saved  $26.3                                                                    
billion     because    inflation-proofing     and    special                                                                    
appropriations  came from  other  activities. She  mentioned                                                                    
the  unappropriated  $12.1 billion  that  was  still in  the                                                                    
account. She  thought it  was an amazing  story of  what had                                                                    
been accomplished  over the previous 45  years and something                                                                    
Alaskans should be proud of.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell  spoke  about  the  evolving  role  of  APFC  on                                                                    
slide 37. In the past the  corporation had not been required                                                                    
to  manage  to a  liability.  The  corporation took  a  very                                                                    
long-term  time  horizon. A  portion  of  the statutory  net                                                                    
income was used to make  a payment. She thought everyone was                                                                    
trying  to determine  the role  of APFC  and the  fund going                                                                    
forward in  terms of  how much the  short-term would  way on                                                                    
APFC's long-term  thinking. She mentioned that  the trustees                                                                    
had  recently published  its trustee  paper,  volume 9.  She                                                                    
recommended  legislators take  a look  at it.  It looked  at                                                                    
sovereign wealth funds  including success stories, failures,                                                                    
and the reason  for failures. The trustees came  away with 5                                                                    
lessons on successful funds.  They included mission clarity,                                                                    
the  importance  of  rules, the  successful  enforcement  of                                                                    
saving rules, designing a POMV  spending rule, and reforming                                                                    
the ERA.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell continued to slide  38: "Revenue Generation." She                                                                    
concluded  her  presentation.  She relayed  that  presently,                                                                    
more than ever  the state was dependent  on APFC's effective                                                                    
management and  investment of the  fund. She  continued that                                                                    
the  POMV draw  currently supported  70 percent  of Alaska's                                                                    
UGF  budget.  The  corporation's stewardship  fulfilled  two                                                                    
roles. First, it protected the  principal for the benefit of                                                                    
future generations,  and it  provided a  predictable revenue                                                                    
stream for  the state  budget. She was  happy to  answer any                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool wondered if 5  percent was a common draw                                                                    
percentage  for a  sovereign wealth  fund. Ms.  Rodell noted                                                                    
the  board had  supported  a  5 percent  draw  for about  20                                                                    
years.  Originally  when  the  board  looked  at  university                                                                    
endowments   rather   than   sovereign  wealth   fund   they                                                                    
gravitated  to  5 percent.  It  was  difficult to  know  the                                                                    
answer  to his  question  because not  all sovereign  wealth                                                                    
funds  were transparent.  She thought  there was  a tendency                                                                    
for  sovereign  wealth funds  to  reduce  the percentage  in                                                                    
light of lower growth expectations  or to create a floor and                                                                    
ceiling percentage in  order to preserve the  fund. A steady                                                                    
revenue growth picture was very important.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool referred  to slide 35 and  the figure of                                                                    
$38  billion.  He  highlighted   the  $22  billion  dividend                                                                    
appropriation. He  wondered if  she know  how much  the fund                                                                    
would be  worth if dividends  had not been paid.  Ms. Rodell                                                                    
could not  provide the number,  as the asset  allocation had                                                                    
changed significantly over the years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  asked if Ms.  Rodell had  a recommended                                                                    
POMV  balance.  Currently the  amount  was  $12 billion;  $3                                                                    
billion for the  draw and $9 billion in the  ERA. Ms. Rodell                                                                    
indicated that 5 percent was a comfortable number.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:01:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon recalled in the  news that the board of                                                                    
trustees had  gone on record  supporting a  consolidation of                                                                    
the principal and the ERA  into one endowment fund. He asked                                                                    
if the  information was correct.  Ms. Rodell  confirmed that                                                                    
the board had recommended a consolidation of the two funds.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon provided  a  hypothetical scenario  in                                                                    
which the  corporation purchased  a property and  later sold                                                                    
it for  a profit. He  asked whether the  original investment                                                                    
amount would  be returned to  the principal and  whether the                                                                    
gain would go into the  earnings reserve. He wondered if his                                                                    
summary of  the process was accurate.  Ms. Rodell responded,                                                                    
"That is correct."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon asked  if there  was a  provision that                                                                    
would allow  the fund  to take a  10 percent  inflation rate                                                                    
over the investment period and  place it into the principal.                                                                    
Ms. Rodell  indicated it would  require an  appropriation by                                                                    
the  legislature. Representative  LeBon  clarified that  the                                                                    
legislature  would  have  to  make  the  appropriation.  Ms.                                                                    
Rodell responded affirmatively.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   LeBon   asked   whether   overdrawing   the                                                                    
5 percent  POMV   draw  would   create  volatility   in  the                                                                    
corporation's  asset   mix,  the   planning,  and   how  the                                                                    
corporation  managed   investments,  particularly  unplanned                                                                    
draws. Ms. Rodell responded in the affirmative.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  referred to slide  37 regarding  lesson 5.                                                                    
He asked Ms. Rodell to  clarify her meaning of reforming the                                                                    
ERA. He asked  if it meant consolidating the  fund into one.                                                                    
Ms.   Rodell   responded   affirmatively.  She   noted   the                                                                    
importance  of recognizing  that  the ERA  was a  standalone                                                                    
receptacle  of  earnings  that  was  currently  doing  other                                                                    
things. She contended that by  harmonizing the principal and                                                                    
the ERA there would be  a much cleaner discussion about what                                                                    
was happening with the fund.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  wondered if other  funds had  been managed                                                                    
in a similar  way where the principal and  the earnings were                                                                    
combined  into one  fund.  Ms. Rodell  thought  there was  a                                                                    
number of lessons  that could be found in  the trustee paper                                                                    
that talked  about confusing the mission.  She conveyed that                                                                    
when  there was  a confusion  of missions  accompanied by  a                                                                    
series  of unscheduled  draws there  would  be less  funding                                                                    
available.  She  noted  the New  Mexico  Heritage  Fund  had                                                                    
experienced some issues over the  years because of overdraws                                                                    
or not saving  enough. She emphasized that  both savings and                                                                    
spending created a robust healthy fund.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:06:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson suggested  that to  make lesson  5                                                                    
meaningful a resolution  would have to go to  the voters. If                                                                    
there were dividends in the  future, they would be impacted.                                                                    
Currently,  the corpus  was not  spendable. He  thought what                                                                    
was being proposed represented every significant issue.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rodell thought  what Alaska  had done  in creating  the                                                                    
fund was  extraordinary. She  did not  include the  votes of                                                                    
the House and the Senate on  the slide before the issue went                                                                    
to  the vote  of  the people.  She noted  that  it was  also                                                                    
extraordinary how  there was nothing defining  how the money                                                                    
would be  spent. Rather,  it was  to be  saved and  used for                                                                    
future generations. It was simple.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter  had   a  question  about  royalty                                                                    
payments and a constitutionally  required 25 percent payment                                                                    
since 1979. He  wondered if the legislature had  made the 25                                                                    
percent  payments  into  the   corpus  as  directed  in  the                                                                    
constitution and in statute since 2016.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  replied that APFC  had made every  payment under                                                                    
the constitution.  She believed  that in FY  16, FY  17, and                                                                    
FY 18  the   appropriation  for  the   statutorily  required                                                                    
payment was not  made. The payment resumed in FY  21 and was                                                                    
included in  the governor's  FY 22 budget.  There was  a gap                                                                    
for 3 or  4 years. She would have to  double check the exact                                                                    
years and get back to the committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:09:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon agreed with  the remarkableness of the                                                                    
history and  management of the  fund. He thought  Alaska was                                                                    
the only  state that funded  the majority of  its government                                                                    
services   with  an   endowment.  The   other  states   with                                                                    
endowments  had smaller  funds which  played a  much smaller                                                                    
role in funding state government.  He also noted that Alaska                                                                    
was the only sovereign wealth fund  in the world that paid a                                                                    
PFD.  The  combination  of  the  fund  being  a  source  for                                                                    
government  funding and  an annual  outlay to  citizens made                                                                    
Alaska extremely unique.  He queried if there was  a need to                                                                    
open an office in Anchorage.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell  indicated her staff  had been working  from home                                                                    
since March  2020. It  had opened  many people's  eyes about                                                                    
having a  flexible schedule.  The traditional  work schedule                                                                    
was not  a good fit  with the  work of the  corporation. She                                                                    
indicated  if  there  were  folks  who  wanted  to  live  in                                                                    
Anchorage and  work from  home, she would  consider it  on a                                                                    
case-by-case basis.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson complimented  Ms. Rodell's  team of                                                                    
investors. He asked  if they were paid  a competitive salary                                                                    
and whether they offered bonuses.  Ms. Rodell responded that                                                                    
the board had adopted  an incentive compensation policy. The                                                                    
corporation  had never  paid it  out due  to appropriations.                                                                    
Payment  of  the  bonuses was  included  in  the  governor's                                                                    
budget that  he had put  forward. It was in  APFC's personal                                                                    
services request in the budget.  The corporation had a study                                                                    
done in 2017  that showed that the corporation  was at about                                                                    
30  percent of  median, well  below the  bottom quartile  of                                                                    
pay.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:14:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Rasmussen thanked  Ms. Rodell  and her  team                                                                    
for all of their efforts.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  was around  to  vote  for the  Alaska                                                                    
Permanent Fund  in 1976. At  the time there  was significant                                                                    
pressure,  as  oil  had not  passed  through  the  pipeline.                                                                    
Voters were  asked to  have some  vision. He  indicated that                                                                    
the  vote numbers  were 75,000  to 38,000.  He thought  that                                                                    
part  of the  vision was  based on  a sense  of urgency.  He                                                                    
reported that the estimated life  of Prudhoe Bay in 1976 was                                                                    
about 25 years. The purpose of  the fund was to substitute a                                                                    
finite  resource for  an infinite  resource. The  success of                                                                    
the  Permanent  Fund  was  outstanding.   He  was  proud  of                                                                    
Alaskans who  had had a vision  in 1976. He was  one of them                                                                    
by voting in favor of the fund.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool acknowledged  the finite  life span  of                                                                    
oil  and the  infinite  quality of  the  Permanent Fund.  He                                                                    
wondered  if Ms.  Rodell felt  confident that  the fund  was                                                                    
truly an infinite asset. He  asked if she would be concerned                                                                    
if the legislature  were to break the  sovereign wealth fund                                                                    
rule of limiting the draw to 5 percent.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell was  confident that the same  vision that existed                                                                    
in  Alaskans in  1976  existed in  legislators and  Alaskans                                                                    
presently. She  did have some  concerns. She came  to Alaska                                                                    
in  2011. It  was  her  tenth year  in  front  of the  House                                                                    
Finance Committee  and her  sixth legislative  session. When                                                                    
she came before the committee  as the deputy commissioner of                                                                    
the  Department  of  Revenue the  state  had  a  significant                                                                    
amount  of  money.  She  had watched  the  same  debate  for                                                                    
10 years.  She  worried  that if  the  legislature  did  not                                                                    
follow a POMV spending rule, the flood gates would open.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodell agreed  people were hurting due  to the pandemic.                                                                    
She also wondered what the  legislature was creating for the                                                                    
future. She wondered what people  wanted Alaska to look like                                                                    
in  25 years.  The  Coronavirus Aid,  Relief,  and  Economic                                                                    
Security (CARES) Act  money would not last long.  She sat on                                                                    
the  Juneau Airport  Board and  discussed  having CARES  Act                                                                    
money through  2024 to help  keep the airport going.  It was                                                                    
not  owned or  operated by  the  State of  Alaska. Yet,  the                                                                    
airport had  a $3 million  deficit in the current  year. She                                                                    
wondered what would happen to  a community such as Juneau if                                                                    
the airport was  forced to close. She  thought people should                                                                    
be  looking at  what  was available  for FY  23,  FY 24,  or                                                                    
FY 25. It  was a difficult place  to be in because  it would                                                                    
require saying no sometimes. She did not envy legislators.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the agenda for the following day.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:20:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:20 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
APFC Presentation HFIN 022330.pdf HFIN 2/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
APFC Follow up HFIN 0223 - 030121.pdf HFIN 2/23/2021 1:30:00 PM